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		<title>By: Shelley Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelley Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is amazing to me that most police/detectives do not follow-up on more important imformation after someone
( a c.i.) gives information to them.  Follow up facts would substantiate the given information.  I do not 
consider confirming an address, telephone number, etc.
anything that confirms the accusation of illegal activity.  Who was the moron in charge of giving the okay to perform this ridiculous, dangerous, unnecessary
operation?
I am so sorry that someone died.  The sorrow deepens when it is so apparent that someone &quot;at the top&quot; lacked good reason and common sense as to sign off on a search warrant with nothing more than the word of an unreliable informant.  Then, someone else in the police department&#039;s chain of command signed off on the full extent of the procedure i.e. time, place, quantity of officers used, etc. with nothing more to go on than hearsay.  Sounds as though someone was overzealous and bored.  What a waste of time, resources, and lives.  Seems as though
law enforcement can just put a quarter in the machine and out comes a search warrant !  If policy is to blame .....then change it.  Something is to blame....and it is not Ryan Frederick.  


The entire nation should be looking hard at this case.  It will set a precedent nationwide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is amazing to me that most police/detectives do not follow-up on more important imformation after someone<br />
( a c.i.) gives information to them.  Follow up facts would substantiate the given information.  I do not<br />
consider confirming an address, telephone number, etc.<br />
anything that confirms the accusation of illegal activity.  Who was the moron in charge of giving the okay to perform this ridiculous, dangerous, unnecessary<br />
operation?<br />
I am so sorry that someone died.  The sorrow deepens when it is so apparent that someone &#8220;at the top&#8221; lacked good reason and common sense as to sign off on a search warrant with nothing more than the word of an unreliable informant.  Then, someone else in the police department&#8217;s chain of command signed off on the full extent of the procedure i.e. time, place, quantity of officers used, etc. with nothing more to go on than hearsay.  Sounds as though someone was overzealous and bored.  What a waste of time, resources, and lives.  Seems as though<br />
law enforcement can just put a quarter in the machine and out comes a search warrant !  If policy is to blame &#8230;..then change it.  Something is to blame&#8230;.and it is not Ryan Frederick.  </p>
<p>The entire nation should be looking hard at this case.  It will set a precedent nationwide.</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Prosecuted and the chesapeake Police are just trying to torment Ryan.  They will keep him in jail as long as they can but the Constitution and justice will prevail.  I hope!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Prosecuted and the chesapeake Police are just trying to torment Ryan.  They will keep him in jail as long as they can but the Constitution and justice will prevail.  I hope!</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 23:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attended the hearing.  Luckily I asked at the metal detector where the Frederick&#039;s hearing would be and was told the third floor.  when the judge entered he explained that the appellate court had let him use that courtroom for this hearing, the assumption being that it would be crowded;  it was not and now I know why.
Officer Roberts who led the raid was the only witness.  He said among other thing that Ryan had been under investigation since November.  He said the investigation consisted of a few drive-bys, none of which turned up any thing suspicious as might be expected at a &quot;drug house&quot; worthy of a raid.  Roberts also stated that the police checked his driving record and bank accounts, none of which looked suspicious, and upon cross- examination Roberts admitted that they knew Ryan had a gun permit.  I found that quite interesting in that since they knew he had a gun why didn&#039;t they go into the house when he was at work?  The police knew where he worked and his hours, but no, they waited until they knew he was home.  Officer Roberts testified that on the night of the raid the &quot;team&quot; got a call from another officer who was observing the house that Ryan&#039;s car was in the drive way and that lights were on in two rooms.  That&#039;s when they went!  It&#039;s not like the marijuana growing operation was going with Ryan.  This was not a hostage situation.  This situation was not one terrorists making bombs or a murderer hiding out;  it wasn&#039;t even an opium den or a meth lab.  It was an alleged marijuana growing operation out of a backyard garage, hardly an immediate threat to the safety and security of the neighborhood.  Certainly 12 heavily armed men going in
a house by busting down the door that is occupied by a man with a gun looking for marijuana  is insanity.  The Chesapeake police must have been &quot;practicing&quot; using Ryan as their guinea pig.  To my knowledge no other city or even Chesapeake has conducted such a raid, or do they do it all the time and we just heard about this one because someone died?  I doubt it.  
Ms. shivers should sue the City of Chesapeake, the Police Chief, the Chesapeake Police Department, and the person or persons who authorised and planned this home invasion.  When the good guys become the bad guys we are all in trouble!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended the hearing.  Luckily I asked at the metal detector where the Frederick&#8217;s hearing would be and was told the third floor.  when the judge entered he explained that the appellate court had let him use that courtroom for this hearing, the assumption being that it would be crowded;  it was not and now I know why.<br />
Officer Roberts who led the raid was the only witness.  He said among other thing that Ryan had been under investigation since November.  He said the investigation consisted of a few drive-bys, none of which turned up any thing suspicious as might be expected at a &#8220;drug house&#8221; worthy of a raid.  Roberts also stated that the police checked his driving record and bank accounts, none of which looked suspicious, and upon cross- examination Roberts admitted that they knew Ryan had a gun permit.  I found that quite interesting in that since they knew he had a gun why didn&#8217;t they go into the house when he was at work?  The police knew where he worked and his hours, but no, they waited until they knew he was home.  Officer Roberts testified that on the night of the raid the &#8220;team&#8221; got a call from another officer who was observing the house that Ryan&#8217;s car was in the drive way and that lights were on in two rooms.  That&#8217;s when they went!  It&#8217;s not like the marijuana growing operation was going with Ryan.  This was not a hostage situation.  This situation was not one terrorists making bombs or a murderer hiding out;  it wasn&#8217;t even an opium den or a meth lab.  It was an alleged marijuana growing operation out of a backyard garage, hardly an immediate threat to the safety and security of the neighborhood.  Certainly 12 heavily armed men going in<br />
a house by busting down the door that is occupied by a man with a gun looking for marijuana  is insanity.  The Chesapeake police must have been &#8220;practicing&#8221; using Ryan as their guinea pig.  To my knowledge no other city or even Chesapeake has conducted such a raid, or do they do it all the time and we just heard about this one because someone died?  I doubt it.<br />
Ms. shivers should sue the City of Chesapeake, the Police Chief, the Chesapeake Police Department, and the person or persons who authorised and planned this home invasion.  When the good guys become the bad guys we are all in trouble!</p>
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		<title>By: slant</title>
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		<dc:creator>slant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 07:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slant says : I absolutely agree with this !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slant says : I absolutely agree with this !</p>
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		<title>By: Debra L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 20:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read your post that the charges were certified. I&#039;m beginning to feel afraid for Ryan Frederick, for anyone else who might find themselves facing the same charges. They are wrong and I am deeply concerned about what this means for the future. A sad day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read your post that the charges were certified. I&#8217;m beginning to feel afraid for Ryan Frederick, for anyone else who might find themselves facing the same charges. They are wrong and I am deeply concerned about what this means for the future. A sad day.</p>
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		<title>By: Debra L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 20:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The change of courtroom without any announcement in such a sensitive case is truly disturbing news. I have been in court in Norfolk recently and have heard announcements by case name and courtroom number. How difficult would it be to announce for all parties in this case to report to the changed courtroom number? 
I have never thought about attending this hearing in person even though I am keenly interested in the case. Under the circumstances, perhaps it is our duty to do so. Keep up the good work gentlemen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The change of courtroom without any announcement in such a sensitive case is truly disturbing news. I have been in court in Norfolk recently and have heard announcements by case name and courtroom number. How difficult would it be to announce for all parties in this case to report to the changed courtroom number?<br />
I have never thought about attending this hearing in person even though I am keenly interested in the case. Under the circumstances, perhaps it is our duty to do so. Keep up the good work gentlemen.</p>
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		<title>By: InFrequently Asked Questions</title>
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		<dc:creator>InFrequently Asked Questions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 20:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Ryan Frederick Preliminary Hearing Today...&lt;/strong&gt;

Today, a judge in Chesapeake certified the first degree murder and use of a firearm in the commission of a felony charges against Ryan Frederick. The next hearing is before the grand jury on 3 June....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Ryan Frederick Preliminary Hearing Today&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Today, a judge in Chesapeake certified the first degree murder and use of a firearm in the commission of a felony charges against Ryan Frederick. The next hearing is before the grand jury on 3 June&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Tabor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Tabor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 18:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fellow Blogger Rick Caldwell(Infrequently Asked Questions) and I (Tidewater Liberty) sat for three hours in Courtroom A of the District Court, waiting to witness and report this hearing. The hearing was moved, without announcement or change in the posted docket to another courtroom, so we missed it. Rick had even checked with the Commonwealth&#039;s Attorney&#039;s office to be sure of the location. Perhaps there is a reasonable explanation for moving the hearing without notice or updating the docket.

My father advised me to never assume malice when incompetence was an adequate explanation, and I lean toward giving our court officials the benefit of the doubt, but remember that the arraignment hearing was also rescheduled without notice.

Ian Flemming advised that &quot;Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.&quot; The benefit of the doubt is about to run out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fellow Blogger Rick Caldwell(Infrequently Asked Questions) and I (Tidewater Liberty) sat for three hours in Courtroom A of the District Court, waiting to witness and report this hearing. The hearing was moved, without announcement or change in the posted docket to another courtroom, so we missed it. Rick had even checked with the Commonwealth&#8217;s Attorney&#8217;s office to be sure of the location. Perhaps there is a reasonable explanation for moving the hearing without notice or updating the docket.</p>
<p>My father advised me to never assume malice when incompetence was an adequate explanation, and I lean toward giving our court officials the benefit of the doubt, but remember that the arraignment hearing was also rescheduled without notice.</p>
<p>Ian Flemming advised that &#8220;Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.&#8221; The benefit of the doubt is about to run out.</p>
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		<title>By: John Wilburn</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Wilburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 17:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently justice in Chesapeake is still ugly - or non-existent. Charges of First Degree Murder &amp; Use of a Firearm have been sent, by the, &quot;judge&quot; to the Grand Jury. Maybe those people will be sensible, and let this innocent young man go...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently justice in Chesapeake is still ugly &#8211; or non-existent. Charges of First Degree Murder &amp; Use of a Firearm have been sent, by the, &#8220;judge&#8221; to the Grand Jury. Maybe those people will be sensible, and let this innocent young man go&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 13:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks~I hope to be there and see what Chesapeake justice looks like.  It&#039;s been ugly so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks~I hope to be there and see what Chesapeake justice looks like.  It&#8217;s been ugly so far.</p>
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